They are still tiny. So build a door that will fit inside the frame of the big door and hinge it onto it. Yes, they are fine. I have had many bugs this summer on my tropical milkweeds and have had lots of plants die. I wintersowed tons of it, and am transplanting the seedlings into bigger pots already. Yeah, aren't they little pigs! I hope your situation works out for the best! February and March are cold here but the greenhouse is typically 25-30 degrees warmer than the outside air. I have 2 more caterpillars that are soon to become a chrysalis. possum1935. The cage is to provide a safe place for Monarch cats to eat, pupate, and eclose as adult butterflies. It keeps me busy watering them, and then I have other plants in containers too. Fall planting PLANTS and seeds is a great way to get a head start in northern regions. I'm including three pictures of the butterfly cage that I made. :o) ~~Angie, Hi Angie, I don't get on as much as I used to, and as you know, I got on a lot. We have released 9 healthy females and 5 healthy males so far! I water with hydrogen peroxide most of the winter because it keeps infestations from occurring and is also good for root health. Thanks. We usually bring plants indoors mid to late October. When milkweed dies back to the ground each year, or is cut back to the ground, the spores will not be present on the next year's growth to infect the caterpillars. I don't know if you mean me, as I don't consider myself to be a milkweed expert, but thank you anyway. Hi Angie, I tried overwintering for the first time in Minnesota with great results. Now, I can't wait to see how it does. i should have counted since this was my first year for raising them with the cube, etc. Will the Hydrogen Peroxide hurt butterfly larva or Cats that are eating the milkweed? It was never meant to have a heater in it, as it has screen on it. It saves me so much time that I'd have spent taking cuttings to feed the cats! I don't see anything wrong with doing that though if you'd want to do that. I want to make sure I bring in some plants every year before that happens because then they're ready to go for spring.Cathy, Hey Cathy girl!! You can rinse it off after a few hours to make the plant monarch safe: Hi Tony, thank you so much for this information. Caterpillars eating the milkweed ingest the parasite and concentrate it in their bodies. I replaced plants as they were stripped then. You can place cuttings in water, directly in soil next spring or earlier in your greenhouse: I had a problem with the soil from some toxic free milkweed I purchased, grown at a local nursery that gets how important it is to keep milkweed safe. Some of those actually grew well & I’ve tried them before to no avail. I would not use it while you are hosting monarch caterpillars. I love the TMW because it blooms all the way up until we get a frost. The next season, I treated all our plants with hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) to prevent this issue. Tony, Congrats, Angie!Yes, mine are coming back from the roots in my garden!In the past, they never came back, but now they are. I just wanted to leave a comment that I am happy to say I have helped contribute to the Monarch population this fall with 14 successful Monarch releases…all lovingly cared for and supervised by me since about mid-October! Summer-blooming Asclepias syriaca is an important larval host plant for the monarch butterfly and attracts a number of pollinating insects, Quit cringing. I am fresh from England so know very little regarding the climate here in NC. Under these conditions, tropical milkweed produces higher cardenolide concentrations. I also have cuttings and whole plants just sitting in water and they're doing fine. I just had a really rough time. This was really great research by Jaap de Roode’s lab at Emory University. You should be able to find these bulbs at big box stores like Lowe’s or Home Depot. Hi Doreen, I’m in zone 5a and still fall planting a few plants this week. I normally keep the cats in containers in the house, but needed to go out of town for several days. Overwintering Tropical Milkweed. Hi Judi, if you are concerned they won’t make it, you could put some leaf mulch around them right before your first big snow storm. This won’t do anything to the adults (which have a short life span) but will destroy eggs/larvae in the soil. If your intention is to use tropical milkweed for spring monarchs, take stem cuttings earlier in fall or winter. Cut back foliage before bringing pots inside. It just seems so much easier than taking cuttings every day. and have tropical milkweed growing in my garden and something keeps eating the leaves right off the plants. These plants will give our butterfly garden a huge head start when they are replanted next spring. Had to resort to going out into the yard for milkweed cuttings last year because they stripped all of the plants. The cage will be rectangular, measuring about 3 feet wide and about 7 feet long when it's put together. bucket , with vents. I was just thrilled that it is actually coming back. I think you said you cut the root ball? I suspect my survival rate was not as good as when I check them daily and clean out the fras, but they certainly did better than they would have out in the wild. 6. I did order 20 small rooted cuttings to see if I can keep them growing without a greenhouse. The plants in the laundry room aren't blooming, but the ones in the living room are and they're just in water. If your intention is to use tropical milkweed for spring monarchs, take stem cuttings earlier in fall or winter. Best practice, for now: cut tropical milkweed back after Thanksgiving. Use about a cup per gallon of water. Your article would have been more helpful a month ago at least. Tools and supplies needed are:screwdriver & galvanized screws (I used 2" or 2-1/2")staple gun and 1/2" staplesdrill and also a drill bit slightly smaller than the screws and hooks and eyesjig saw or circular sawroll of fiberglass screenscissors to cut screen down to size40+ sets of hooks and eyes4 hinges for 2 small doors. Best practice, for now: cut tropical milkweed back after Thanksgiving. Hi Patricia, we’ve never had any issue with water roots adapting to soil. Unfortunately, they forgot about anything used in or on the soil. H2O2 kills gnat larvae on contact. My dahlia still hasn’t bloomed & it’s up against the house on the south wall! Omg! There are also 2 panels on top to cover the cage. Care for your plants while overwintering. I also bought a box of galvanized screws, hinges, and a lot of hooks and eyes. I found out after using it the first year that it's a little tricky opening the big doors when you're trying to gain access to the cage, so it's best to have a door on at least 2 of the doors/panels. You could either keep it in the garage, or try this method I used with our potted black cherry tree: Potted tree protection or use for smaller containers. my yard is butterfly, bee, and bird friendly and have a lot of milkweed in quite a few areas. I am looking to do the same so the cats can free feed off of some potted milkweed. Hi Haylee, we keep the tropical milkweed in 10″ to 12″ diameter pots. I wintersowed tons of Tropical Milkweed seed, and it is all coming up well in my milk jugs. I believe the key to success is treating butterfly plants with the h202 mix (tip number 4) early to stop the infestation before it begins. Scarlet or Tropical Milkweed has bunches of orange, yellow, and red tubular flowers, and is one of two species … I have one planted in a 15″ container. Regardless of your set up, some plants will do better than others and there will be trial and error involved. Also to discourage rotting, I take my butterfly cage down after it's done being used for the summer and store it in an outside building. I am using full spectrum bulbs that simulate natural daylight. I still have to winter sow my tropical milkweed along with my other annuals. In addition to the concerns over OE and disruption of migration behavior, emerging research suggests that tropical milkweed may actually become toxic to monarch caterpillars when the plants are exposed to the warmer temperatures associated with climate change. The 3 bulbs I purchased were less than 30 dollars total, and you might not need that many. Monarchs prefer the tropical over any other here, so I'm certainly glad they're doing well.Sherry, HelloI'm in north east missouri and I have over wintered tropical MW for several years, near the end of winter I root cuttings from them to have more starts for summer. Even if my back could handle moving the ones that don't fit in the cage onto our back porch, we wouldn't have much room to walk. If there are toxins in the soil, they have most likely been absorbed by the plant. Hose down your pots/plant before bringing them in. on Mexican Flame Vine. I’m happy to hear your caterpillars made a full recovery…. When milkweed dies back to the ground each year, or is cut back to the ground, the spores will not be present on the next year's growth to infect the caterpillars. I saw a lot more Monarchs this year than I have in many years, so they saw the Milkweed but got no caterpillars (they probably wouldn’t have done well considering the sparseness of my patches; I planted them in 3 different areas in the ground plus the pots). The weather isn’t still pretty same here, with only a recent dip in evening temps for about a week…I brought the chrysalises and cats indoors during this time. Hi Jennifer, increased OE spores are the result of overused milkweed plants. Tropical milkweed does not need to be cold-treated. I've tried draping tulle over the top, but then some manage to get trapped underneath it (various kinds) and then I have to fiddle around with that. Unlike the estimated 100 milkweed species native to North America [27] that senesce during late summer and fall, tropical milkweed remains in leaf and flowers year-round in mild climates [10,26,28,29]. I am enjoying the education from this chatroom and look forward to more. I am a newby and would like to try this cage. Martha, Nope, I don't put anything in for them to pupate on. sorry to hear this Susie! Butterfly Ranch wrote a fascinating article focusing on research into the effects overwintering of tropical milkweed could have on monarch butterfly populations. I am intrigued about the entire migration process that these beauties apparently go through. I don’t have any tropical milkweeds now, but may look for some next year as my milkweed garden will be expanding—that’s the good news (for butterflies). steelhanky. Thanks Brian. Many of the plants just were stunted & small all year even though I put them in the right spot & yes, the soil was amended. These plants are inside my office grow room combo. What size pots do you use for the curassavica? This year, they weather was so bad I was putting them in & out the whole month of May since the plants just wouldn’t grow! I just did my annual winter sowing last night and that includes 4 milk jugs of tropical milkweed for the milkweed patch. I'm in zone 6 and would have to pay the electric bill that would be generated from heating something in a cage outside in temps that sometimes get below zero in the winter. I think between the tropical milkweed in 1-gallon pots and the purple milkweed in 3-gallon pots, I probably have about 60 or 70 milkweed plants once they're all up and going. The rest of my gardens are Cottage type & have always had butterfly & hummingbird flowers. I also saw a video of some type of mouse (in Arizona) that was eating tropical milkweed. I’m in SE Michigan & zone 6 – my plants have been indoors for weeks. How much root should I cut and how far down to cut the plant? You can also root directly in soil. On another point, should I cut back my mature" tropical" plants in hope they survive the winter ?? Make sure there is good air circulation. It is native to the American tropics and has a pantropical distribution as an introduced species.Other common names include bloodflower or blood flower, cotton bush, hierba de la cucaracha, Mexican butterfly weed, redhead, scarlet milkweed, and wild ipecacuanha. Hi Kathy, I only use hydrogen peroxide when overwintering plants. I have also purchased some “bare root” plants (rose milkweed, joe pye weed, Liatris (meadow blazing star and button blazing star) and allium) My query is, should I “baby” the bare root plants in pots indoors until spring or just plant outdoors now. I suppose you could build a cage and put plastic on it if you'd want to raise plants in it, but I don't know the particulars about venting, etc. So, what do I do to propagate those Spiders & the Cinderella? They pupate on either the screen or the wood. I have one of those big 4 ft rearing tents, and I can just put the whole potted plants inside for them. Tony, Have you ever had a problem with thrips on milkweed before? Hi Tony! Keep cutting it back through February as leaves re-sprout. I brought in two big plants and, much to my surprise, they flowered the ENTIRE winter.One of the pots also has 3 additional seedlings that sprouted over winter. Having these plants on hand can be a time and cost saver. until they fly.I wish there was a way to extend the season but freeze gets here in late Nov., so I will look forward to next year. Why? This overwintering trend has been occurring for decades, as more and more concerned gardeners plant the readily available tropical milkweed. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/science/monarchs-may-be-loved-to-death.html. I dug up the Tropical ones & potted them just today being very careful to go far out of the drip line & Deep to catch all of the roots (or as much as possible). Best article ever! Can I overwinter swamp milkweed in the garage? Thank you, Doreen. If you have thrips try using an insecticidal soap. Cathy- would you tell me more about the butterfly cage you built? Hi Carol, I take it this is swamp milkweed that you are keeping in containers since it’s cold hardy to zone 3. All the Monarchs in the county will be going to your place because they'll know where the milkweed is! I’ll have to remember that peroxide trick. Our goal to overwinter plants indoors is to achieve slow growth with superior health. When you root stem cuttings from MFV do you keep them in water all winter or transfer them to soil after they root? Caption: Tropical Milkweed (Asclepias currassivica) is a popular non-native species and a prolific bloomer. Hi Judi, I’m in zone 5 (Minnesota) and our overwintering plants are still outdoors. Hydrogen peroxide also helps your plants grow by putting more oxygen into the soil. Place the seeds 1 ⁄ 4 in (0.64 cm) deep in your soil mix. I was thinking of trying electrical conduit, which I understand is flexible but strong. Monarchs have many predators, so it would seem many have adapted to milkweed toxicity levels. I am in the northern edge of zone 7 and southern edge of zone 6, so am I pushing my luck, counting on them to start growing in the spring ?? Think of it as a way of encouraging your butterflies to fly on south. Think of it as a way of encouraging your butterflies to fly on south. If the latter, what size pot should I transfer them to? I knew far enough in advance that I was able to grow some seedlings in pots, and they were big enough by August to keep my cats going for the time I needed them to. We’ve also sprayed isopropyl alcohol on plant leaves to kill off white flies and spider mites. Tropical milkweed also has a higher concentration of cardenolides, which may affect monarchs in the caterpillar stage of their life cycle. However, I continue to improve on my success each winter, and my happy spring plants are living proof…. Strange…. Maeckle provides an overview of research being done at the University of Georgia by Ph.D. […] Barrie June 11, 2014 at 3:09 pm … Any views would be appreciated. Try this! Out of 20 seeds of the Spider, I got 5 plants & left them in pots so as to bring them inside & not risk losing them. This keeps dirty water from potentially soiling your floors or creating slip hazards. Many plant diseases and fungus are the result of low oxygen levels in the roots. The Cinderella- I got one from 50! I have never even heard of a thrip but man can they do some damage. Since I am new to raising Monarchs, I so appreciate your information! We have some planted in our shade garden that comes back every year in Minnesota. Water a plant when the top couple inches of soil start to look and feel noticeably dry. Hi Paula, I spray and water with the hydrogen peroxide mix all winter, since it’s also good for plant health. Scientific research suggests that its problems, namely its link to the spread of the Ophryocystis elektroscirrha (OE) disease, far out-weigh its… I put those and a bunch of Monarchs in the cage so no predators and parasitoids will be able to get to the Monarchs and kill them. To prevent overly humid conditions where pests can potentially thrive. I have 24 pots done so far. and would advise you to ask someone with knowledge in that area or to buy a small greenhouse for that purpose. actually i have 81 chrysalis here, releasing 4 today, and have about 25 caterpillars left to go. Tony, Thank you for all the info. If you bring milkweed plants indoors make sure it is placed where your pets cannot eat it. Keep your thermostat around 65° F (18.3° C) give or take a few degrees. That one is a modest 18″ tall but looks healthy. It's so much harder to keep cuttings fresh. Luckily, there isn’t all that much that you need to do – though there are a few tips and tricks that you should follow to ensure the perennial growth of healthy plants with an abundance of blooms. The tropical milkweed has been found to be “medicinal” in terms of improving parasite resistance to OE, and as you know, butterflies that are infected tend to prefer the tropical milkweed even more than usual, suggesting that they are medicating their offspring. My one neighbor said she has to aggressively thin her Milkweed patch as it’s always trying to take over, so I just don’t know what’s going on here. lol 50 plants sounds real good! I am overwintering a few small tropical milkweed plants . I’m anxious to see if it works next spring. Really became a job rather than a hobby, which i didn’t mind. It also kills disease spores on plants, but I’ve never been able to confirm whether it kills OE spores or not. I’m a little wary about over-wintering because I have 3 (kitty) cats that will chew on anything and I hear milkweed could make them sick. Would it help to spray/water with peroxide even if I don’t bring plants inside? Hey thank you for sharing this tip. It's for putting the milkweed plants into that are already grown. Thank you for this website. 3. We have lots of squirrels in Minnesota, but never seen one near the milkweed. If overwintering Asclepias curassavica, take stem cuttings in early spring to start new tropical milkweed plants. If you live in one of these regions, cut back your milkweed plants once or twice a year to allow healthy new growth to emerge. Here are some pics and YES that is snow in the background. Mine too bloom most of the winter. tip: Water the container plants with hydrogen peroxide just before you bring them in and throughout the winter. I would definitely plant perennials outdoors now. I was excited about the “fast growing” Tropical plants, & had a bunch started but they didn’t grow well & the few I did get just NOW started blooming! I don’t recommend overwintering any perennials indoors, as the winter part of the growth cycle seems to be a key to thriving plants. Expose overwintered plants to sun gradually over a few weeks. After watering, they look to be perking up. I live on zone 7b and have been busy taking cuttings of lots of my plants (in water and soil). 2. What are the potential problems associated with planting tropical milkweeds? But I thought the milkweed was toxic to most critters. After the ridiculous cold moist stratification for the Spider and the easier one for the Cinderella, I tried the winter sowing for the Butterfly Weed & that actually worked; amazing. I at least have enough inside to feed a few cats if the Monarchs would show up early, but I want to have lots more, and that's why I'll still winter sow some. Say – I bought your download book. Moisture is the accomplice of both plant disease and fungus gnats. When used in midwestern landscapes, they are basically “one timers.” They die quickly if exposed to freezing temperatures. I overwinter my tropical milkweed, but I cut it way back (it regrows prior to the first freeze). Year-round plantings in the USA are controversial and criticised, as they may be the cause of new overwintering sites along the U.S. Gulf Coast, leading to year-round breeding of monarchs. It’s a lot easier (and less messy)to clean the grime off pots before you take them inside. Milkweed bugs do little damage to milkweeds so control is generally not required. I know there aren't a lot of Monarchs that fly through the Phoenix area so I'd like to offer them a spot.Thanks!You should be able to email me through my Garden Web address. Mick, I forgot to mention....you're right, it IS sooooo much easier than taking cuttings! Once I rinsed them off terrificly, they were fine. We have a lizard and a squirrel in the garden. The cage is made up of 6 panels/doors that are each about 3 feet wide and 5 feet high. I have no doubt there are other potential issues I have yet to encounter. I’m getting places that say to use cuttings & others that say I’m good with transplantation. Thanks Tony! Ha, I almost need 2 or 3 butterfly cages to house all of my potted milkweeds now. They're still just little seedlings now. I went to Lowe's and bought a bunch of 2 x 2's and a roll (I forget the length) of fiberglass screen (I didn't want wire because I was afraid that parts of it might puncture a caterpillar as it crawled over the screen). I am finding that 11 days is about average time from chrysilis to flight, so i don't need any more cats this year to have enough food. Monarchs tend to be here year-round because of the tropical climate here. Recommendation against planting milkweed near California overwintering sites. Hi Diane, glad you liked the article…yes, turtlehead is a perennial. I spent 450.00 at the vet after my two cats ate some milkweed that I carelessly left lying on the counter for just a few minutes. I am excited to see how they end up doing. Your plants will still need water, light, and other nutrients, like fertilizer, while overwintering. Those Monarchs are such hogs! Spraying also raises the humidity level for optimal plant growth. We did have a horrible spring; usually we can start hardening off at the beginning of May & plant on Memorial weekend (some are ok for Mother’s Day, but we have to be careful). I am spraying the leaves every other day and watering when the top layer of soil gets dry. Do you know about turtlehead? … I see no bug infestation on them. Check out these better alternatives to butterfly bush in the garden, Introducing the great golden digger wasp, a colorful pollinator that also hunts foliage-eating insects, How to take Tropical Milkweed Stem Cuttings, Help Monarchs and Other Butterflies by Planting Common Milkweed, Backyard Birds: Orioles Return After Spending Winter in the Tropics, Lay of the Landscape: Tropical Garden Style, Great Design Plant: Asclepias Incarnata for a Butterfly Garden, Great Design Plant: Asclepias Is Attractive to Monarch Butterflies, Bring on the Birds: Natural Habitat Ideas for Gardens of All Sizes, 6 Plants That Beat Butterfly Bush for the Wildlife Draw, Great Golden Digger Wasp: A Beneficial Flower-Visiting Insect, Links for people who want to raise caterpillars, and ID them, Another Caterpillar ID Page: Stinging Caterpillars, Black Swallowtail stuck in the 2nd instar stage. Gomphocarpus fruticosus (swan milkweed) I don’t understand my difficulties with every single Milkweed type unless it’s the neighbors black walnut trees, but my neighbors I found last year have native Milkweed growing near the trees & never had trouble. I still raise some in containers though too to get that personal effect. In late September? Monarch caterpillars are tolerant of these chemicals⁠—in fact, cardenolides are the very compound that protects the monarch from predation. I'm just north of Houston. I’m using two 40 watt bulbs (each equivalent to a 200 watt regular bulb) and a 25 watt bulb (equivalent to a 100 watt bulb). I would agree that Tropical MW seems to be much preferred here. It will die completely back if exposed to freezing temperatures and will likely sprout again in the spring. A person cannot have too much Tropical Milkweed!! That being said, you'll probably go through more potted milkweed than what fits in the cage because I had about 100 cats in the cage and it only took them a week to totally strip 2 dozen plants. Generally, you should: Keep the soil of your plants moist, but not wet. So, now I keep at least 1/2inch (or more) of aquarium gravel on top of the soil.. It’s worked perfectly for protecting the caterpillars from tainted soil (either it was fertilizer, or, some other ‘unknown’ in the soil, but, I found two that came in contact with the soil that were vomiting green. The same could be said for most gardeners located below USDA hardiness zone 8. Asclepias curassavica, or tropical milkweed, is often planted as an ornamental in butterfly gardens. I am in zone 7a and decided to finally try to overwinter some Tropical Milkweed plants in my garage this past winter. Hi Ruth, I use h2o2 for watering and when I spray the plants too. Now I use additional light sources in the form of CFL (compact fluorescent) light bulbs. Because I wanted something that could be assembled and disassembled every year, that's why I chose to make panels that have hooks and eyes on to attach them together. Those Monarch cats have such voracious appetites. Perhaps someone who has better equipment and has better woodworking skills than I do would be able to make it out of something else other than 2 x 2's. Most milkweed that I bring in the fall get covered with aphids . Cathy, do you put anything in your rearing cage specifically for the cats to pupate onto? don’t know why but still finding eggs and smaller cats on my plants. Hi Aggie, peroxide works well for fungus gnat eggs and to avoid root rot, but not for other pest. could the soil need amending with compost? I'd be happy to send somebody an SASE or whatever is needed. Perhaps you could also try potting some plants and putting them in a harder to access location? 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